"PS9" (PS9)
06/13/2014 at 13:26 • Filed to: None
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"PS9" (PS9)
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With Bavaria moving to snails and fewer cylinders like everyone else, I was hoping the new motor from AMG would keep the tradition of high output N/A engines alive, and follow in the footsteps of the outgoing SLS. But alas, it was not to be.
They haven't revealed what it's supposed to look like yet, so here's a render of one trying to be a viper.
Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> PS9
06/13/2014 at 13:28 |
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Imagine that with a bundle of snakes.
Blake Noble
> PS9
06/13/2014 at 13:29 |
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That looks like the Chrysler Firepower concept. Boo.
macanamera
> PS9
06/13/2014 at 13:37 |
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Um, that looks really good. The real one wont look that good. Fact.
Manuél Ferrari
> PS9
06/13/2014 at 13:46 |
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The high revving European V8 is dead. It gives me all sorts of sads.
If the N/A American V8s die I will need meds.
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PS9
> Manuél Ferrari
06/13/2014 at 13:48 |
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They seem to be stuck in their N/A only large displacement ways. But so was Europe once upon a time, and the regulatory environment (relative to europe I mean) isn't going to be in their favor forever...
Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> PS9
06/13/2014 at 13:55 |
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The thing with the N/A American V8's, is that they can actually achieve pretty decent MPG numbers out of them. At least the LS/LT's can. Which is something the more "advanced" Europeans can't do.
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Manuél Ferrari
> PS9
06/13/2014 at 13:57 |
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The Coyote is in the middle. Not too small, not too big.
Funny how 5.0L used to be big compared to the European V8s. But the Euro engines kept growing. The 458 uses a 4.5L mill.
Had Ferrari not gone the TT route the 458's replacement would have had an engine very close in size to the Coyote.
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Manuél Ferrari
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
06/13/2014 at 13:59 |
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I wish everyone did cylinder deactivation like GM does. Why couldn't Ferrari have stayed N/A and implemented cylinder deactivation? :(
PatBateman
> Manuél Ferrari
06/13/2014 at 14:01 |
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From a year ago. Eventually, you may need them pills. :(
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-death-of-v…
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PS9
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
06/13/2014 at 14:04 |
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There's more to the regulations than just MPGs, and even that will protect them for so long. Once trucks fall under the same regulatory blanket that cars do, the large displacement 'murican non-turbo V8 will begin it's journey to the graveyard, and join it's European bretheren. Rising gas prices, increased inflation, the rise of middle class people in other countries who can afford to consume more energy right as the supply begins to dwindle will provide the pressure to change the regs, and we will succumb. If you consider the fact that there will be no successor to the LS7, it's already starting to happen.
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Manuél Ferrari
> PatBateman
06/13/2014 at 14:08 |
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I just read it.
Now I want to crawl under a rock and go to sleep.
The thing that bugs me is the fuel economy tests aren't realistic. The turbo charged V6s aren't always more fuel efficient than Chevy V8s with cylinder deactivation in real life. The boosted V6s can get worse mileage than the N/A V8s when you're stepping on it.
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PatBateman
> Manuél Ferrari
06/13/2014 at 14:13 |
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I agree completely. But CAFE numbers aren't drawn from aggressive driving; they're drawn from highway cruising and "city" driving tests. I could easily feather a C7 coupe and get about 35MPG out of it on the highways. BUT CAFE numbers don't care about that.
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Manuél Ferrari
> PatBateman
06/13/2014 at 14:31 |
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I've seen screenshots of the C7 getting 41 MPG highway when cruising with no traffic.
My biggest beef is the city driving tests. I'm guessing people get on the boost more during city driving than the testers do. Some cities have high speed roads with vary uneven traffic. So drivers are constantly switching between stop and go and mild to heavy acceleration.
ColoradoTaco
> Manuél Ferrari
06/16/2014 at 13:22 |
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As common as they used to be? No.
Dead? Again, no.
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Manuél Ferrari
> ColoradoTaco
06/16/2014 at 13:27 |
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Sorry what I meant by dead is that most of them are gone and they will all be gone soon.
Audi has said that they will switch this car and the R8 to twin turbo engines in the future.
4age20vsilvertop
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
06/16/2014 at 17:47 |
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Meh, just gearing and aero.
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Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> 4age20vsilvertop
06/16/2014 at 18:06 |
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Reliability and maintenance cost aren't down to gearing and aero. Also, if it's just down to that, why don't slower European cars work on that?
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4age20vsilvertop
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
06/17/2014 at 10:33 |
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Reliability and maintenance are a different story than MPGs. Also, the best way to improve MPGs is to reduce drag, weight and RPM. Just like modern american V8s, last time I drove one (Holden Camaro SS), it had some pretty damn long gear ratios, basically geared to reach top speed in 5th, with the 6th just acting as an overdrive. Given the ridiculously low RPMs at highway speed in top gear, the fuel economy was damn impressive. Or the C7 Vette: 7-speed manual, again 6th and 7th stupendously tall geared, paired with a cd in the mid .2 range => great MPG. Now I'm not saying that the engines themselves are not efficient, but a large part of those MPGs is down to the gearing and low drag.